#dev 2026-06-10

2026-06-10 UTC
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[fluffy] ah ok
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[fluffy] It would be a nice feature to add
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[fluffy] although maybe I’d be better off just setting up an RSS crosspost bot anyway
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[fluffy] or go back to regular http://brid.gy I guess
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gRegor Bridgy Publish and backfeed works well for me with bsky
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[fluffy] [snarfed] okay so I reenabled bridgy publish on http://beesbuzz.biz and sockpuppet.band, is there a way to disable bridgy fed on http://bsky.beesbuzz.biz and bsky.sockpuppet.band so I don’t end up getting webmentions back for every post they make?
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[fluffy] oh actually no I think the real issue is that when I post, my RSS feed autoposts it to Mastodon, which then gets bridged to bsky also through bridgy fed.
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[snarfed] [fluffy] sure, I can disable Bridgy Fed for those sites if you want?
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[fluffy] Sure, let’s try disabling those for now and see if that solves the issue. But I suspect the weird mentions I’m going to get will be from my mastodon->bsky bridge
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[snarfed] BF is currently bridging them to the fediverse too. disable that too?
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[fluffy] which ones?
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[snarfed] https://fed.brid.gy/web/sockpuppet.band and https://fed.brid.gy/web/beesbuzz.biz
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[fluffy] no I still want those bridges
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[fluffy] it’s all such a mess 😐
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[snarfed] so only disable their bridged bsky accounts? leave them bridged to the fediverse?
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[fluffy] i don’t know, this is so confusing
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[snarfed] heh sorry
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[fluffy] combinatoric explosions of options here
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[fluffy] let me try to clarify what I think I want
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[fluffy] I want https://beesbuzz.biz/ to go to @beesbuzz.biz@beesbuzz.biz and https://sockpuppet.band/ to go to @sockpuppet.band@sockpuppet.band on fedi and to publish to http://beesbuzz.biz and sockpuppet.band on bsky. I do not want to get mentions back to myself every time I make a post from my website. I guess I do not care about the bsky accounts being bridged back to fedi.
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[fluffy] but I do want `@fluffy@plush.city` to continue to be bridged to `http://fedi.beesbuzz.biz` on bsky
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[fluffy] and since `@fluffy@plush.city`/`http://fedi.beesbuzz.biz` contains my RSS feed items I don’t want those to generate mentions back to `http://beesbuzz.biz`
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[fluffy] (or `sockpuppet.band` which it also contains)
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[fluffy] I want *replies*/likes/boosts/etc. to the posts made at `@fluffy@plush.city`, `fedi.[whatever]`, and the two bridgy-publish accounts to still make it back to the original site though
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[snarfed] 😁
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[snarfed] I don't know that I can design your perfect system, but I'm happy to answer q's, and/or disable your BF(s0 if you want
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[fluffy] I mean, what I *really* want is everyone to just use indieweb/webmention natively to begin with but that’s not gonna happen any time soon 😛
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[fluffy] I do not like all this complexity but I also do not like having to log in to a billion places to see the replies to my stuff but also do not want to be unrealistic about the ways that people actually follow me
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[fluffy] I want Google to have not killed Reader in the first place, which was the real origin of this headache
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[snarfed] I feel your pain!
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[snarfed] we probably al do
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[fluffy] I guess I’d settle for the ability to be able to specify a list of fedi/bsky accounts to not send backmentions from
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[fluffy] which would also help from some of the more annoying spammy things (like that one stupid fedi bot that automatically boosts posts based on hashtags)
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[fluffy] well I think that I can at least block in http://webmention.io
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[fluffy] also I haven’t seen any of those in a while so maybe they gave it a rest (or maybe I actually blocked them already and just forgot)
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[fluffy] oh never mind it just didn’t get triggered by my latest public blog post
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[fluffy] oh, phooey, no, I can’t block it from http://webmention.io because they appear to come from http://ap.brid.gy
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[fluffy] (sorry for the image attachment to those not on the slack side of chat)
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[fluffy] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2026/06/dev-20260610-045929-image.png
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[fluffy] although those don’t really bug me so much as getting backmentions from myself ad nauseum
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[fluffy] particularly since the backmentions look like replies and so they show up in my atom subscription to the webmention API (which is my primary notifcation mechanism)
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[fluffy] maybe at some point I just give in, disable all bridging, and just check my notifications everywhere again 😐
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[fluffy] the usual case of “just” doing some heavy lifting
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[Al_Abut] Top post on HN this morning is praising the benefits of a simple HTML-first approach:
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[Al_Abut] https://mohkohn.co.uk/writing/html-first/
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[schmarty] wow! on the one hand: love to see folks encouraged to learn and use the basic features of the web and browsers. on the other hand, the contrasting examples from React for this particular site almost rise to the level of parody.
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[schmarty] the examples given (former dev team created an awful React app, this dev having seen "person-months" wasted trying to get React form validation tools working) show an amazing lack of care on the part of the folks that were building those React-pilled sites.
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[tantek] [Al_Abut] ++ great share
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[capjamesg] Great post.
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[Al_Abut] [schmarty] I know, right? I mean I get the appeal if I was a junior dev that needed an all-in-one framework or working on iterating on an existing app that already used it, but to enshittify a nice clean working form is such a shame.
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[Al_Abut] Also I'm sure a lot of you have seen the article that inspired this approach but it's always worth a relink, the really moving one about the power of plain html to reach far and wide to overlooked people struggling in the margins:
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[Al_Abut] https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2021/01/the-unreasonable-effectiveness-of-simple-html/
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Loqi [preview] [Terence Eden’s Blog] The unreasonable effectiveness of simple HTML https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2021/01/the-unreasonable-effectiveness-of-simple-html/ I've told this story at conferences - but due to the general situation I thought I'd retell it here. A few years ago I was...
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[Al_Abut] I think I hear an echo in here, Loqi…
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gRegor That's a great HTML post, good quote at the end "It is not acceptable to bounce users on old browsers, users with bad network connections, users using assistive technologies. Certainly not from a monopoly public service."
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[social] For those with Apple Developer access there is a Safari and Web Tech Group Lab (Q&A sessions with the lead engineers) at 5pm PT tonight - https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2026/8015/
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